Godwin's law explained

Godwin's law should not be confused with Goodhart's law.

Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule), short for Godwin's law of Nazi analogies,[1] is an Internet adage asserting: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[2]

History

Promulgated by the American attorney and author Mike Godwin in 1990, Godwin's law originally referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions.[3] He stated that he introduced Godwin's law in 1990 as an experiment in memetics, specifically to address the ubiquity of such comparisons which he believes regrettably trivialize the Holocaust.[4] [5] Later, it was applied to any threaded online discussion, such as Internet forums, chat rooms, and social-media comment threads, as well as to speeches, articles, and other rhetoric[6] [7] where Latin: [[reductio ad Hitlerum]] occurs.

In 2012, Godwin's law became an entry in the third edition of the Oxford English Dictionary.[8]

Generalization, corollaries, and usage

Godwin's law can be applied mistakenly or abused as a distraction, a diversion, or even censorship, when miscasting an opponent's argument as hyperbole even when the comparison made by the argument is appropriate.[9] Godwin has criticized the over-application of the adage, claiming that it does not articulate a fallacy, but rather is intended to reduce the frequency of inappropriate and hyperbolic comparisons:[10]

In 2021, Harvard researchers published an article showing that the Nazi-comparison phenomenon does not occur with statistically meaningful frequency in Reddit discussions.[11] [12]

Godwin's law has many corollaries, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself) than others. For example, many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums have a tradition that, when a Nazi or Hitler comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever made the comparison loses whatever debate is in progress.[13] This idea is itself sometimes mistakenly referred to as Godwin's law.[14]

Godwin rejects the idea that whoever invokes Godwin's law has lost the argument, and suggests that, applied appropriately, the rule "should function less as a conversation ender and more as a conversation starter."[15] In an interview with Time Magazine, Godwin said that making comparisons to Hitler would actually be appropriate under the right circumstances:[16]

In August 2017, while commenting on the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, Godwin himself endorsed and encouraged social-media users to compare its "alt-right" participants to Nazis.[17] [18]

Godwin has denied the need to update or amend the rule. In June 2018, he wrote, in an opinion piece for the Los Angeles Times: "It still serves us as a tool to recognize specious comparisons to Nazism – but also, by contrast, to recognize comparisons that aren't."Additionally, when a potential subject of Godwin's law seems "intent on making the Hitler comparison",[19] the comparison with fascism may be appropriate rather than devaluing the argument; a "MAGA" corollary to the Law recognizes the pernicious embrace of Nazi-inspired tropes and phrases by the "alt-right".

In 2023, Godwin published an opinion on The Washington Post stating "Yes, it's okay to compare Trump to Hitler. Don't let me stop you." In the article, Godwin says "But when people draw parallels between Donald Trump’s 2024 candidacy and Hitler’s progression from fringe figure to Great Dictator, we aren’t joking. Those of us who hope to preserve our democratic institutions need to underscore the resemblance before we enter the twilight of American democracy."[20]

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Notes and References

  1. Godwin . Mike . Mike Godwin . Meme, Counter-meme . October 1, 1994 . . 2 . 10 . March 24, 2006.
  2. Web site: Godwin . Mike . Mike Godwin . Godwin's law of Hitler Analogies (and Corollaries) . w2.EFF.org . January 12, 1995 . . "Net Culture – Humor" archive section . June 19, 2012 . dead . https://web.archive.org/web/20120829094739/http://w2.eff.org/Net_culture/Folklore/Humor/godwins.law . August 29, 2012.
  3. Godwin . Mike . Mike Godwin . Re: Nazis (was Re: Card's Article on Homosexuality . August 18, 1991 . rec.arts.sf-lovers . 1991Aug18.215029.19421@eff.org .
  4. News: McFarlane . Andrew . Is it ever OK to call someone a Nazi? . . July 14, 2010 . August 4, 2010.
  5. Fishman . Aleisa . Godwin . Mike . Mike Godwin . Interview with Mike Godwin . Voices on Antisemitism . . September 1, 2011 . dead . https://web.archive.org/web/20140520044036/http://www.ushmm.org/confront-antisemitism/antisemitism-podcast/mike-godwin . May 20, 2014.
  6. Web site: Goldacre . Ben . Pope aligns atheists with Nazis. Bizarre. Transcript here. . bengoldacre – secondary blog . September 16, 2010 . https://web.archive.org/web/20130325005933/http://bengoldacre.posterous.com/nazi-youth-pope-aligns-atheists-with-nazis-bi . March 25, 2013.
  7. News: Stanley . Timothy . Hillary, Putin's no Hitler . "Opinion" department . March 6, 2014 . . March 6, 2014.
  8. Web site: Godwin's law . . . February 27, 2013.
  9. Web site: David . Weigel . Hands Off Hitler! It's time to repeal Godwin's Law . . July 14, 2005 . https://web.archive.org/web/20090715142410/http://www.reason.com/news/show/32944.html . July 15, 2009.
  10. Web site: I Seem to Be a Verb: 18 Years of Godwin's Law . April 30, 2008 . Jewcy.com . April 16, 2010 . https://web.archive.org/web/20130115035303/http://www.jewcy.com/post/i_seem_be_verb_18_years_godwins_law . January 15, 2013.
  11. Web site: Harrison . Stephen . Has Godwin's Law, the Rule of Nazi Comparisons, Been Disproved? . . January 24, 2022 . April 23, 2022.
  12. Fariello . Gabriele . Jemielniak . Dariusz . Dariusz Jemielniak . Sulkowski . Adam . December 12, 2021 . Does Godwin's law (rule of Nazi analogies) apply in observable reality? An empirical study of selected words in 199 million Reddit posts . . 26 . 389–404 . 1461-4448 . . 10.1177/14614448211062070 . 245035602.
  13. News: Chivers . Tom . Internet rules and laws: The top 10, from Godwin to Poe . . October 23, 2009 . London .
  14. Web site: Datta . N. . Godwin's Law – How Adolf Hitler Is Mathematically Connected To Internet Forum Discussions . June 20, 2017 . Trove 42 . February 13, 2024.
  15. Web site: Godwin . Mike . Mike Godwin . Op-Ed: Do we need to update Godwin's Law about the probability of comparison to Nazis? . . June 24, 2018 . July 24, 2020.
  16. Should You Call Someone Hitler? Here's What the Man Behind Godwin's Law Thinks . Time . June 29, 2017 . February 13, 2024 . Hoffman, Ashley.
  17. Web site: Gilbert . Alexandre . Godwin's Law & the Nazi Cosplay Hobbiysts . . August 17, 2017 .
  18. Web site: Mandelbaum . Ryan F. . Godwin of Godwin's Law: 'By All Means, Compare These Shitheads to the Nazis' . . August 13, 2017 . December 26, 2023.
  19. News: Trump gets compared with history's great villain because his rhetoric is that bad . Washington Post . September 24, 2024 . September 24, 2024 . Rampell, Catherine.
  20. News: Godwin . Mike . Yes, it's okay to compare Trump to Hitler. Don't let me stop you. . The Washington Post . 22 November 2024 . 20 December 2023.